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Kate and Renee, flirting under the influence
from Detective Comics #859 by Greg Rucka and JH Williams III

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Kate and Renee, flirting under the influence

from Detective Comics #859 by Greg Rucka and JH Williams III

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What will the repeal of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ mean for Kate Kane?

From Robot 6:

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I’d be lying if I said that, while following coverage this weekend of the Senate’s repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell,” I didn’t briefly wonder what this development would mean for Kate Kane, the new Batwoman.

After all, she’s the most notable (if not the only) comic-book superhero whose origin is tied to the law prohibiting gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military: While a cadet at the United States Military Academy, Kate is discovered to be in a secret relationship with another female student. When confronted with the allegation, Kate chooses to resign from West Point rather than lie. The scene, depicted in Detective Comics #859 by Greg Rucka and J.H. Williams III, is a powerful one.

“Way back — waaaay back — when I knew I was going to be writing Kate, and I knew we’d be telling her origin story, I knew I would write this scene,” Rucka said in a well-timed post that appeared Sunday at DC Women Kicking Ass. “This was, in many ways, the first scene I wrote for Kate Kane, one I kept rewriting and rewriting in my mind until the time came to put it down on the page. I’d done a lot of research into West Point, and the Cadet’s Code of Honor had stuck with me, stuck with me all the more in the face of DADT. In my mind’s eye, even before ever seeing the Bat Symbol of encountering Batman, this was where Batwoman was born — in Kate’s need to serve something greater and to, at the same time, remain true to herself.”

Williams, who’s sharing writing and art duties on the new Batwoman series, commented this afternoon on the repeal, saying, “It’s just sad that this policy ever occurred in the first place. It was grotesque and shameful that we ever went there. And terrible that it took nearly two decades for the folly to be properly dealt with.”

“Now to figure out what this may mean for Kate Kane,” he continued, “we’ll need to acknowledge this in some way, but properly in the plot, much like the policy’s enforcement affected the plot for Batwoman’s origin. Like it informed her past, setting her on the path she now has, this new progress will have to inform her direction at some point in a significant way.”

As curious as I am about how Williams & Co. will address law’s repeal, I’m even more interested in how later writers — those a decade or more removed from the policy — will address the character’s past. The origins of Marvel’s character operate on a sliding scale, with someone like Tony Stark first being tied to the Korean War, then the Vietnam War, the first Gulf War and now (I think) the conflict in Afghanistan. But how will DC revise Batwoman’s history when “don’t ask, don’t tell” is just a relic of the shameful past?

Five Comics Creators On Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell

From Bleeding Cool:

So, Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell legislation has been repealed in the US, members of the armed forces will no longer be dismissed because someone discovers they are gay. But in all the political punditry, tweet wars and column inches, has anyone thought to find out what the comic creators think? Bleeding Cool did just that! By, um, cut-and-pasting from various other websites.

John Byrne:

Next, we need total integration of the armed forces. Men and women working and living together as equals. Kind of a “Starship Troopers” sort of thing.

Then we can REALLY start thinking of ourselves as grown ups!

(Just in Case: No sarcasm here. I mean it. I’ve been saying this for years. The repeal of DADT is a good, solid step in the right direction.)

It’s even more embarassing, isn’t it, when we consult his record. In ’06 he said he [John McCain] was in favor of ending DADT.

Now, everybody is entitled to change their minds — but usually it works better if such changes carry us FORWARD.

Greg Rucka:

Way back – waaaay back – when I knew I was going to be writing Kate, and I knew we’d be telling her origin story, I knew I would write this scene. This was, in many ways, the first scene I wrote for Kate Kane, one I kept rewriting and rewriting in my mind until the time came to put it down on the page. I’d done a lot of research into West Point, and the Cadet’s Code of Honor had stuck with me, stuck with me all the more in the face of DADT. In my mind’s eye, even before ever seeing the Bat Symbol of encountering Batman, this was where Batwoman was born – in Kate’s need to serve something greater and to, at the same time, remain true to herself. She’s given the out; hell, Reyes wants her to take the out, but she refuses. The choice between attaining what has been – to that point – her life’s work, or betraying herself, is an impossible position. This is the moment, in my opinion, that defines her as a hero; it’s what makes her a person worthy of wearing the Bat Symbol.

Chuck Dixon:

Look, I hope it all works out. I personally wouldn’t care if the next Audie Murphy was gay. I’d be just as proud of that man or woman. And I’m sure our troops will do all they can to make this new non-policy work because they are good, decent, tolerant men and women. These are the same branches of the service that integrated blacks into their ranks long before the rest of the country did the same. And those traditions continue. You won’t see the gay bashing I’m sure the MSM is salivating for just as they breathlessly awaited the mass lynching of Arab-Americans post 9-11. I’m certain it will all go smoothly. Our commanders (even those that oppose it) will make sure of that and our service men and women will follow orders. They will serve as they have always served; as a good example for the rest of us of what an American can be.

But it is still wrong to tinker in the name of social justice with the greatest fighting force on the planet. And I don’t mean “greatest” simply in terms of ass-kicking skils. I mean, historically, the most noble and generous military that has ever marched on this planet. You ask anyone around the world which army they’d rather see show up in time of trouble and (if they were honest) they’d tell you they’d rather have the G.I.s on the ground than the U.N. or NATO or any of their neighbors.

But the Far Left, through incremental moves in the media and the courts and legislation, are insistant on meddling with how our military works. With one hand they lay on new policies, rules and restrictions while disarming our guys with the other hand. START treaty? Seriously?

And they won’t be happy until all five branches of the service (not forgetting you, Coast Guard) are more like our college campuses than the guys who charged Devil’s Den or landed on Omaha Beach.

Larry Hama (reported by Josh Lynsen)

As I neared the end of my time sitting with Larry, I couldn’t resist an urge to touch on the current controversy surrounding “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” I asked him whether he’d ever considered touching on the topic in any way in G.I. Joe. He responded that because the franchise is the property of Hasbro, he couldn’t imagine the company wanting to touch the topic “with a 10-foot pole.” But on the topic itself, Larry said he considered it “ridiculous” that gays couldn’t openly serve in the armed forces. He recalled working during the Vietnam era with an army intelligence officer that was widely known to be gay. The officer did a good job, Larry said, and wasn’t subject to harassment. Of course, Larry said it didn’t hurt that the man’s last name was Patton and he was rumored to be related to  the famous World War II general. But it showed that people who want to serve their country should be allowed to do so.

Gail Simone:

If a man has gotten all the way to the military without seeing another man’s wee-wee, he’s got bigger problems than shared showers.

SHE HAS NO HEAD! – MY 20 FAVORITE COMICS FEMALES by Kelly Thompson

I always really like Kelly’s column and ‘top’ lists are generally a lot of fun, if for nothing else than to pick them apart. While I’d have definitely had different characters on my list hers is still pretty solid. She has 6 non-white characters 2 (3ish?) non-straight characters, which in American comics is pretty big. And placing such a new character, Batwoman at #1? Excellent.

I want them to stop catering to the perverted needs of forty-five year old men, I want to stop seeing Batman fucking Black Canary, I don’t want to hear Batman swearing, I don’t want to see him feeding a boy rats, I don’t want to see characters getting raped in the ass, I don’t want to see characters who have been straight for sixty years become lesbians overnight because the writer’s too stupid or uncreative to come up with something decent, I want to see new characters for a new time, and when the industry of superhero comics realigns its sights to the young people it was meant for, I’ll be there with both arms and feet” – Darwyn Cooke

This is really dissapointing to me. Darwyn Cooke is, without a doubt, one of the few modern masters of comic storytelling and to hear this kind of comment from him is actually kind of awful. This reminds me of Rob Liefelds reaction to Shatterstar coming out, this perception that it’s somehow damaging to both the characters legacy and their fans to be queer. Usually I’d blow something like this off as an out of touch old man being silly, but Darwyn Cooke is one of the most respected writer/artists in the business and his statements are held in pretty high regard to the general comics community. And to top it off, this was said at FanExpo in Toronto.

Anyways. This bugs me, Darwyn. You might not like Batwoman being an out lesbian/icon for the queer comics community, but the GLAAD awards certainly disagree.

UPDATED

First, Gail Simone defended him and she’s definitely one to listen to regarding both ethics and queers in comics. She said: “I’m going to say right out that I love Darwyn Cooke.He’s amazing as a creator and a person. I get that the comment sounds bad, but Darwyn is just not that guy. I cannot imagine a homophobic thought in his head.”

Then Darwyn himself clarified with: “Consider this- After sixty years of being a lesbian, a beloved character is made straight for sales or creative purposes- wouldn’t that be wrong as well?

I think gay characters are an important and welcome part of any contemporary expression. What I want is to see creators and publishers creating new characters that are gay and lesbian, and spend the decades needed creating and supporting stories about these characters. It strikes me as opportunistic and somewhat wrongheaded to take someone else’s creation and after decades of established character action make that drastic a change.

I’ve always believed that if another creator’s character can’t bear the spectrum of expression I need to reach, then I don’t use that character. Find another or create a new one.

If you tie my comment into the context of the other things I’m saying, I’m also not sure what the corporate motivation is for such changes. If we look at the reading demographics for superhero comics, this becomes an intriguing topic.”

You know, the guy actually makes some solid points but the initial statement still stands. Characters, like people, DO come out unexpectedly. And Batwoman was never, by any stretch of the imagination, a beloved character until Greg Rucka revamped her as an entirely new character and as lesbian.

Generally anytime you feel the need to back peddle and clean up a mess, it probably means that you made a mess.

aaaand this would be the most charming scene of queer flirtation I know of. Kate (Batwoman) dances with the captain of the Gotham City PD major crimes unit.
The closeups of the hands on hips/holding each other are priceless.

aaaand this would be the most charming scene of queer flirtation I know of. Kate (Batwoman) dances with the captain of the Gotham City PD major crimes unit.

The closeups of the hands on hips/holding each other are priceless.

Hey Evil Stepmother, it’s 2010 and if Kate wants to wear a tux to the boring-as-hell gala then she’s gonna wear a tux, okay?
Again, Batwoman is foxy.

Hey Evil Stepmother, it’s 2010 and if Kate wants to wear a tux to the boring-as-hell gala then she’s gonna wear a tux, okay?

Again, Batwoman is foxy.

Honestly, Batwoman is the hottest queer in comics. That’s what makes this scene all the more upseting. Lawyer-career-lesbian talks down to the amazingly gorgeous (and way too good for her) Kate Kane like she’s a dumb kid.
SHE WAS SAVING THE WORLD LAST NIGHT ALRIGHT
God, lay off!

Honestly, Batwoman is the hottest queer in comics. That’s what makes this scene all the more upseting. Lawyer-career-lesbian talks down to the amazingly gorgeous (and way too good for her) Kate Kane like she’s a dumb kid.

SHE WAS SAVING THE WORLD LAST NIGHT ALRIGHT

God, lay off!